German Rocket Reference Data
Additional data can be found in the IAA Journal Articles
(Journals #472 and #475)
Data From Halstead Exploitation Center
Walther Rockets
DWM/Schurk Rockets
Post - WW II German Rockets
Other info on WW II German Rockets  ??????
The round pictured below is steel with a copper primer surrounded by six deep
crimps.  It was seen at the German Proving Ground at Meppen in June 1962.  
The data associated with it reads "Designed by a private inventor and submitted
to the German proving ground at Meppen for testing, 1962"  No further
information is available.
From: Petrusic@t-online.de [mailto:Petrusic@t-online.de]
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 5:37 PM
To: Lewis Curtis
Subject: Re: A Question on A. Schurk

Hi,
I think, thats about 15 to 20 years ago.....as Bill got some of this rockets found at the premises of A.Schurk
(a wellknown gunsmith in Munich). He delivered directly after the war a lot of very well made
"Scheibenbuechsen" to his american clientel in the upper US-Military ranks.
He changed his name even before the war to A.Schork (as Schurk or better Schurke is a german word for
gangster or criminal, but..."this is a Schurk" in bavarian -even without the missing "e" at the end still means
Gangster...:-))
A friend of mine discovered at that time-early 80thies/Late 70thies -, that his whole stuff from the
Gunsmith-time was on sale by his widow, and he bought all of it. As he wasnt interested in ammo, I got most
of it. Mostly Scheibenpatronen, many DWM-Experimentals -as he worked closely with DWM in developping
new calibers (my first 5,6x57 -not the same as todays- is from his stock, made from 404Numbererd cases.
He also used already .257 Roberts cases -which are very similar- to do the same tests with them).
And in one of this wooden cigar-boxes (many of them filled with original DWM-Bags with special made bullets
-as numbered by the bullet book-) marked "Langweiler Projekt" contained some rocket types (which I havent
known at that time!!). I dismantled none of them and took no photograps (unfortunately in todays feeling)
and I gave them to Bill for a very low price....I knew, today they may cost a fortune...
And none left, even not in my own collection. Klaus Brase, who gave me all that ammo stock, may have still
one of this, as a souvernir. I must ask him. Will see him at the Berlin show in mid February...
But anyway, I do not even have that CIOS Report...can I have a copy??

The only other one -different from this ones- I have seen, where in Fred Datigs hands. He also had that
cardboard tube, to testfire the cartridges, as he explained me ones 30years ago. He obtained that
(HARD)cardboard tube -cut off to show the inside markings of the rockets left from burning to the paper- at
DWM, as he told me than. If this was the original source of it, or if DWM tested only sample cartridges which
they may got from some other firms, I dont know...

Hope that helps....
Who has the "original" Walther rockets??? and what is the difference between the Rockets now in Bills Hand
and the socalled "Walthers"????

The problem is, nobody here knews more about them, sofar I had asked around that many years ago....
So, I am really interested, to hear more info coming in. Please let me knew....
Thanks

Peter
The DWM rockets were found in the ammunition stocks of a well known Munich
gunsmith A. Schurk who did work with DWM prior to WW II. The cartridges were
found by Peter Petrusic who obtained the ammunition from the Schurk estate (see
his email below). These cartridges are unique from the Walther rockets because they
have a copper spacer between the nozzle and the body of the rocket. It is interesting
that Dan Kent in his book on 7.9  cartridges has a drawing derived from a CIOS
report on DWM done immediately at the end of the war which illustrates a rocket
round with this spacer and he mentions that the drawing differs from the known
Walther rockets by the existence of this spacer. These appear to be a DWM
designed version of the better know Walther rocket, and their appearance in the
residue of A. Schurk's business is not surprising.
British Drawing of German Rocket-dated 1946
Walther Rocket- 30mm overall-Originally from
Val Forgett Collection  from Jarrett  (courtesy of
Mel Carpenter)
Rocket (from WASAG-probably made by
Polte)- 8.95x34.6mm overall  from Kaultmann
collection (courtesy of the Woodin Lab)
Walther Rocket- 9.06x30.23mm overall from
Jarrett (courtesy of the Woodin Lab)
Speciman also in L Curtis collection
Walther Rocket- 8.96x30.08mm overall  From
Palancia Arsenal in Spain (courtesy of the
Woodin Lab)
Speciman also in L Curtis collection
Rocket (from WASAG-probably made by
Polte)- 8.97x30.23 mm overall from Kaultmann
collection (now in L Curtis collection) Note that
the nozzles angle
Note that the two cartridges with linage to the 11 picked up by Col Jarrett from the desk
drawer of Carl Walther are identical. The Kaultmann cartridge appears to have a slightly
blunter ogive although the overall measurements are identical. The final two cartridges have
different nozzel shapes. None of these five rockets illustrated have the same measurements
of the specimens photographed on the S-Munitions cards at the Halstead Exploitation
Center. The British drawing from an actual specimen shows the overall length as 1.16" which
is 29.5mm. The US Navy drawing from China Lake gives the overall length (computed from
the drawing) as 31.9mm. There seems to have been some variation in the construction of
these cartridges. No specimens are known of the three lengths (33mm, 43.2mm and 48mm)
illustrated on the S-Munitions cards. Note the cards indicate that these cartridges have 3, 5
and 6 exhaust holes respectively. The drawings below from cartridges in German collections
have lengths of 30.15mm and 34.7mm These drawings were made post WW II and it
appears that multiple sets of replicas were made from these drawings.

No known fakes were available for detail measurements!!!
These appear to be drawings of the two rockets which
were found WASAG. Apparently replicas were produced
from these drawings and the replicas have subsequently
been passed on as original cartridges.
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Courtesy of Geoff Sturgess
Courtesy of Geoff Sturgess
Courtesy of Woodin Laboratory